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insulation face-off Posted on January 20th

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Here in California, one decision has been made for us: our insulation’s minimum R-value. Our Title 24 Report calculates our expected annual energy use based on the house’s orientation, climate zone, and design. Our report assumes we’ll have an 84% efficient natural gas boiler, for instance. The report then prescribes the following insulation requirements: roof at R38, exterior walls at R21. We’re happy to have this decision made based on some calculation rather than an endless row of tabs on my browser.


THE ROOF
On the rear addition, our roof is simply constructed of 2×12 joists spaced at 24 inches and we need to leave a 2 inch air gap at the top for venting to reduce condensation. To achieve R38 within a 10 inch depth, we have two options: blown-in cellulose or high density fiberglass. Because roofs can leak, we’re wary that cellulose will collapse and mold over time. Although it has low embodied energy and high recycled content (85% post-consumer newspaper), if it doesn’t perform well over the long-term, it just isn’t worth it. For fiberglass, we like the Knauf Ecobatt: manufactured in Northern California, made from 30% post-consumer recycled glass with a petroleum-free and formaldehyde-free binder and without bleaching agents. Spinning glass takes a lot of energy, but the high density batts should survive a minor leak or at least be easily patched. We’ll buy the paper-faced type so we can easily staple it to the joists. It runs at 80 cents per square foot, not a big stretch from 66 cents/sf of cellulose. And we can handle it ourselves.


EXTERIOR WALLS
For R21 insulation of our exterior walls, we fear the same issue with cellulose and water. We also have many penetrations and obstacles in the walls, leading us to consider two more options: water-based spray foam, such as Icynene, or the recycled denim batts, such as UltraTouch cotton. With 1400 square feet of perimeter walls, price becomes a big factor too. One estimate for Icynene installation (not D-I-Y) was at $2 per square foot! We’ve read about its air-sealing qualities and we’d love to fill in every little crack and air leak, as there are many. But we also have the time, patience and commitment to fill cracks and seal leaks with foam (we already bought a case) and caulk (another case). Water and Icynene also present a disaster potential: it absorbs water and can mold. Unlike a batt or loose-fill insulation, which you could remove or vaccuum away, the foam needs to be sandblasted to get it out (this guy’s account of Icynene mushrooms in his bathroom walls really made us think). Like a Mercedes, you pay top-dollar upfront and then top-dollar to fix it when something goes wrong. Although we’ve worked hard to prevent leaks in the first place, we know there’s no guarantee.


FIBERGLASS VS. COTTON
Currently, we have JohnsManville R19 fiberglass insulation in our garage walls (for interim during-construction climate control). Where its a straightforward run between studs, no interrupting wires or pipes, it has held up well. We can still hear our neighbor open her front gate and unlock her car door, so its sound insulating qualities seem low. Where we’ve had to route the batts around obstacles or fill an odd-sized cavity, the fiberglass is smooshed, disheveled and failing to rebound. Although fiberglass cuts easily, especially with pre-perforated batts, I’m doubting our ability to insulate really well around obstacles. For comparison, we bought a few bales of the UltraTouch Cotton recycled denim insulation this weekend. At 90 cents per square foot, it’s double the cost of fiberglass. It was difficult to cut with a pocket knife because it is dense, but it’s also workable and rebounds better than the fiberglass. Some say a circular saw with the blade reversed works well and Brian is always psyched to experiment with power tools. The glass fibers are laid in a horizontal sheeting pattern that tend to flatten. The cotton is baked into a more three-dimensional, random pattern that lets you rip off a piece, stick it behind an outlet then fill around it and they all seems to fuse together. Plus you’re not completely freaked out by ripping it apart and seeing fibers fly. The final advantage to the cotton, although questionable, is its soundproofing qualities. We see it’s used in theaters, museums, recording studios, and has good STC and NRTC acoustic ratings as reported by the manufacturer. For standard 2×4 wood and drywall construction, the cotton manufacturer touts an STC rating of 45 versus a self-reported 38 for Knauf fiberglass.


THE LEAN PART
We’ve come up with three estimates for insulation. All assume R38 fiberglass batts on the roof and in the attic. We assume R13 fiberglass between 2×4 interior walls. We’re using R21 cotton with a radiant barrier between floor joists where we have the radiant heat. The difference is the exterior walls.

  1. Option 1: $2500. R19 fiberglass Knauf Ecobatt in exterior walls
  2. Option 2: $3600. R19 UltraTouch cotton in exterior walls
  3. Option 3: $4900. R19 Icynene spray-foam in exterior walls

We’re wavering…and wondering: where are real reviews of these products?! On blogs, in magazines and green building sites: it’s all manufacturer’s marketing repeated over and over again! Has anyone ever used this stuff? Have you had any problems? Ever peaked in your walls to check on your insulation’s performance? Is the cotton just a feel-good story with pictures of happy blonde children hugging denim batts like stuffed animals? Fiberglass is a time-tested product. Cotton is leftover scrap from a mexican denim factory. But our insulation face-off in the garage may have some merit: it appears to seal the cavity better, it seems to sound quieter. I don’t believe that R19 is a solid indicator given all the potential leaks and kinks in a real building. They used the cotton in the new Platinum LEED Academy of Science building in San Francisco. I imagine they had the time and resources to really research the options. Is it worth another $1000?

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Some Responses to “insulation face-off” :

  1. Have you ever considerd using a radiant barrier product in your garage? You mentioned you used this between your floor joists. There is a patented product on the market that is used in SCIF projects where the purpose is to deaden sound.

    Commented Radiant Barrier rFoil on January 21st, 2010.
  2. Spray foam insulation is not affected by moisture. A really cool thing is that it can even prevent leaks in your home as the stuff expands to fill every gap, crack, and crevasse effectively sealing your entire roof.

    Commented Vipul on January 21st, 2010.
  3. I ate fiberglass insulation. It wasn’t cotton candy like Dom said. My tummy itches.

    Commented Emma on February 5th, 2010.
  4. Emma, I hope the fiberglass didn’t have formaldehyde in it. That could be very bad for you.

    Commented jen on February 7th, 2010.
  5. We do plan on using a radiant barrier in the floor joists between our bedroom and the garage. We plan to use another UltraTouch radiant barrier product that has two layers: a cotton side and a reflective radiant side. If we face the reflective side up, it should help keep the heat near the floor (we have pex tubes running just beneath the floor boards). Apparently it helps with sound transmission too.

    Commented jen on February 7th, 2010.
  6. As for spray foam, we pathetically and temporarily tried to stop a leak in our roof with it (due to claims that it was waterproof), but the water still came through. We have been using it to air seal and we really like it for tight spaces where we can’t stuff in anything else or for making a bead around areas with potential air leaks.

    Again, the additional cost plus this blog post about water problems with Icynene really turned us off to the idea.

    We have a very old roof and can’t afford to replace it just yet. I don’t want to risk it with spray foam where there may be water leaks. We need something that can be easily replaced if things go wrong.

    Commented jen on February 7th, 2010.
  7. I’m curious - what did you decide about this? We’re trying to make the same decision on a home renovation: fiberglass (formaldehyde-free) vs. UltraTouch cotton. Another factor is the fireproofing that is added to the cotton - does anyone know what that is made of?

    Commented Polly on July 20th, 2010.
  8. Polly, we need to post about our final insulation choices! We decided to use UltraTouch Cotton wherever we also wanted soundproofing (walls) and the fiberglass Knauf EcoBatt for the ceiling/attic. Cutting the UltraTouch was a pain until we started using the circular saw. We now hate the blue dust. It contains borates and ammonium sulfates (fire retardants) and we had the insulation exposed for several months. During that time, I had skin reactions (not definitely caused by the insulation dust, but highly suspect). I’ve also read that cotton is a pesticide-intensive crop. If we had to do it again, we’d probably use more of the Ecobatt, much easier to cut and although it’s fiberglass, it seems to have less added chemicals. I think it had better recycled content as well. And it’s made in Northern California.

    Commented jen on August 25th, 2010.
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